1 00:00:06,190 --> 00:00:02,570 this is Ross coultart and you are 2 00:00:11,270 --> 00:00:06,200 listening to that UFO podcast 3 00:00:16,250 --> 00:00:13,910 hi everyone and welcome back to that uf4 4 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:16,260 podcast my name is Andy and joining me 5 00:00:22,310 --> 00:00:18,779 on the podcast are the owners of the 6 00:00:25,670 --> 00:00:22,320 international UFO Congress for 2022 it's 7 00:00:28,250 --> 00:00:25,680 31st year I have Alejandro Rojas and 8 00:00:31,429 --> 00:00:28,260 Karim broad uh welcome both of you to 9 00:00:33,350 --> 00:00:31,439 the podcast hello thanks hello glad to 10 00:00:35,450 --> 00:00:33,360 be here good to have you both on 11 00:00:37,250 --> 00:00:35,460 Alejandro personally it's the first time 12 00:00:39,170 --> 00:00:37,260 I've got to speak to you as well as 13 00:00:41,389 --> 00:00:39,180 Karen and but I used to listen to open 14 00:00:43,190 --> 00:00:41,399 minds back in the day and long before I 15 00:00:45,889 --> 00:00:43,200 had ideas of even starting my own 16 00:00:47,810 --> 00:00:45,899 podcast so thanks for for trailblazing 17 00:00:50,270 --> 00:00:47,820 the way uh as I'm sure you have for many 18 00:00:51,770 --> 00:00:50,280 many others my pleasure it's always 19 00:00:54,529 --> 00:00:51,780 wonderful to hear from people who 20 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:54,539 enjoyed the podcast absolutely I 21 00:00:58,430 --> 00:00:56,280 remember your chats with yourself and 22 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,440 Martin Willis used to be my my go-to and 23 00:01:01,850 --> 00:01:00,960 my wife would have for reality TV on in 24 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:01,860 the background I would put the 25 00:01:06,830 --> 00:01:04,080 headphones in so it was a Saving Grace I 26 00:01:11,210 --> 00:01:06,840 promise you yeah it was reality TV to me 27 00:01:13,550 --> 00:01:11,220 oh well yeah listen 28 00:01:15,590 --> 00:01:13,560 I wish my wife was as understanding as 29 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:15,600 you are about the UFO topic Karen you've 30 00:01:19,730 --> 00:01:17,280 really got yourself involved as but 31 00:01:22,130 --> 00:01:19,740 about to discuss and I believe this is 32 00:01:23,570 --> 00:01:22,140 your your sixth Year Karen owning the 33 00:01:27,170 --> 00:01:23,580 event is that right 34 00:01:30,950 --> 00:01:27,180 yeah since 2017 and uh we had a live 35 00:01:32,990 --> 00:01:30,960 event in 2018 and 2019 and then coven 36 00:01:36,109 --> 00:01:33,000 struck so the last two years it's been 37 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:36,119 online only so this is our first Venture 38 00:01:41,630 --> 00:01:39,420 back out into you know a live event and 39 00:01:43,429 --> 00:01:41,640 we didn't wait quite a while and I did 40 00:01:45,289 --> 00:01:43,439 want to get one in this year so it could 41 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:45,299 be an actual event 42 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:47,040 um so we just didn't have as much time 43 00:01:50,690 --> 00:01:48,360 to prepare this year so I just wanted to 44 00:01:54,109 --> 00:01:50,700 make sure coven was you know out of the 45 00:01:56,090 --> 00:01:54,119 way for the most part so so we're doing 46 00:01:57,710 --> 00:01:56,100 another one so we only have a couple 47 00:01:59,270 --> 00:01:57,720 weeks to go 48 00:02:01,490 --> 00:01:59,280 but that's that's going to be special 49 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:01,500 having everyone back in person and it 50 00:02:05,450 --> 00:02:03,479 was great when I remember doing some 51 00:02:07,130 --> 00:02:05,460 promotion last year for contacting the 52 00:02:08,870 --> 00:02:07,140 desert and again it was virtual and 53 00:02:11,630 --> 00:02:08,880 you've got all these great speakers and 54 00:02:13,970 --> 00:02:11,640 a lot of these events went online but 55 00:02:15,470 --> 00:02:13,980 you do miss that human element don't you 56 00:02:17,330 --> 00:02:15,480 even if you're watching it virtually 57 00:02:19,970 --> 00:02:17,340 because you can't travel from around the 58 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:19,980 globe just to see an audience in the 59 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:22,440 room helps with the atmosphere and you 60 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:24,000 know just that uniqueness of the event 61 00:02:27,650 --> 00:02:25,560 so that that must be something you're 62 00:02:29,630 --> 00:02:27,660 really looking forward to yeah it is 63 00:02:31,790 --> 00:02:29,640 nice to you know be able to see your 64 00:02:34,250 --> 00:02:31,800 friends give them a hug but the good 65 00:02:36,949 --> 00:02:34,260 thing about our virtual conferences we 66 00:02:39,110 --> 00:02:36,959 do have an app uh it's called Hoover and 67 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:39,120 in that app it allows you to interact 68 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:41,160 with everybody that's either there in 69 00:02:45,050 --> 00:02:43,920 person or at home so you can chat with 70 00:02:46,970 --> 00:02:45,060 each other you can even do little 71 00:02:49,430 --> 00:02:46,980 virtual meetups and meet people on 72 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:49,440 camera so there's a lot it makes it a 73 00:02:52,729 --> 00:02:50,580 little bit better you know a little bit 74 00:02:53,509 --> 00:02:52,739 closer to being there well that's 75 00:02:55,490 --> 00:02:53,519 awesome 76 00:02:57,229 --> 00:02:55,500 um Alejandro let me ask first off how 77 00:02:59,210 --> 00:02:57,239 are those preparations coming along then 78 00:03:00,949 --> 00:02:59,220 like Karen says we're in our final weeks 79 00:03:02,930 --> 00:03:00,959 now before the event 80 00:03:06,410 --> 00:03:02,940 he would know better I'm focused on 81 00:03:08,869 --> 00:03:06,420 other stuff uh but helping her as I can 82 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:08,879 but it sounds like it's coming along 83 00:03:12,530 --> 00:03:11,280 well yeah we have um all our speakers 84 00:03:13,490 --> 00:03:12,540 booked 85 00:03:15,949 --> 00:03:13,500 um 86 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:15,959 uh they're very excited and uh yeah it's 87 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:17,700 all it's coming it's coming along we've 88 00:03:21,649 --> 00:03:20,220 got some great events in there too uh 89 00:03:23,990 --> 00:03:21,659 along with our Banquets and our Film 90 00:03:25,130 --> 00:03:24,000 Festival we're having a trivia night and 91 00:03:27,649 --> 00:03:25,140 for the first time we're having a 92 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:27,659 Halloween costume party so a lot of fun 93 00:03:30,830 --> 00:03:29,099 events for people to do and it has a 94 00:03:32,570 --> 00:03:30,840 great bar and an outdoor swimming pool 95 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:32,580 and it still would be warm here so you 96 00:03:37,790 --> 00:03:34,200 can still swim here and a great big 97 00:03:39,589 --> 00:03:37,800 jacuzzi too so uh it's gonna be fun it's 98 00:03:42,170 --> 00:03:39,599 a new event a new venue for this event 99 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:42,180 this year um it's very pretty and I 100 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:44,400 think people really enjoy it 101 00:03:49,670 --> 00:03:46,680 well the venue and I'll get this correct 102 00:03:51,289 --> 00:03:49,680 is the Sheraton at Wrigleyville West uh 103 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:51,299 the events being held in Phoenix Arizona 104 00:03:56,930 --> 00:03:54,060 from the 12th to the 16th of October 105 00:03:59,089 --> 00:03:56,940 actually it's Mesa Arizona so it's the 106 00:04:01,130 --> 00:03:59,099 Sheraton at Mesa Hotel 107 00:04:03,289 --> 00:04:01,140 uh okay 108 00:04:04,670 --> 00:04:03,299 um not knowing the area I take it that's 109 00:04:05,930 --> 00:04:04,680 important because people will just 110 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:05,940 travel to Phoenix and they're going to 111 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:07,560 be some ways away from I'm sure it's a 112 00:04:11,270 --> 00:04:09,780 big area so yeah that's a good one I'm 113 00:04:13,490 --> 00:04:11,280 going to put all the details within the 114 00:04:15,350 --> 00:04:13,500 link to the podcast as well folks if you 115 00:04:17,090 --> 00:04:15,360 are planning on attending you can click 116 00:04:19,189 --> 00:04:17,100 on that and check out the website UFO 117 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:19,199 congress.com as well for that 118 00:04:23,390 --> 00:04:21,180 information and you mentioned 119 00:04:24,770 --> 00:04:23,400 importantly the guests and that's what 120 00:04:27,110 --> 00:04:24,780 people are largely going to be going 121 00:04:29,090 --> 00:04:27,120 there for other than the meetups and 122 00:04:31,249 --> 00:04:29,100 meeting new people with uh those those 123 00:04:32,930 --> 00:04:31,259 common interests in the UFO subject so 124 00:04:34,249 --> 00:04:32,940 let's get to the guests do you want to 125 00:04:35,450 --> 00:04:34,259 give out a rundown of some of those 126 00:04:37,070 --> 00:04:35,460 speaking 127 00:04:38,870 --> 00:04:37,080 sure 128 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:38,880 um you can help me if I forget any um or 129 00:04:42,650 --> 00:04:41,220 having Ben Hansen of UFO witness he's a 130 00:04:44,390 --> 00:04:42,660 good friend of ours 131 00:04:47,210 --> 00:04:44,400 um and also uh 132 00:04:49,010 --> 00:04:47,220 has a show yeah the UFO witness showing 133 00:04:50,510 --> 00:04:49,020 but he's also a friend of ours who used 134 00:04:53,629 --> 00:04:50,520 to be in the FBI 135 00:04:55,249 --> 00:04:53,639 um and uh he's very interested in this 136 00:04:57,350 --> 00:04:55,259 whole subject he's been doing it for 137 00:04:59,749 --> 00:04:57,360 about 10 years and he's going to share 138 00:05:02,090 --> 00:04:59,759 some uh something new that he's done he 139 00:05:05,150 --> 00:05:02,100 just finished his Masters and his thesis 140 00:05:08,290 --> 00:05:05,160 was on preparedness what would happen 141 00:05:11,270 --> 00:05:08,300 What would be the impact of an outside 142 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,280 extraterrestrial visitation or attack 143 00:05:16,909 --> 00:05:14,040 from another place so that's part of his 144 00:05:19,310 --> 00:05:16,919 uh his thesis was on that for um 145 00:05:20,810 --> 00:05:19,320 preparedness well we have James Fox and 146 00:05:23,990 --> 00:05:20,820 he's going to be doing a screening of 147 00:05:25,730 --> 00:05:24,000 his new film the moment of contact and 148 00:05:28,010 --> 00:05:25,740 that's about the 149 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:28,020 um Brazil how do you say that Virginia 150 00:05:36,249 --> 00:05:33,950 about that uh when there was supposedly 151 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:36,259 a landing of some crowds yeah 152 00:05:42,350 --> 00:05:39,000 exciting and and some 153 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:42,360 kids saw a being uh which the fire 154 00:05:47,629 --> 00:05:45,180 uh local fire came and picked up and 155 00:05:50,330 --> 00:05:47,639 allegedly the environment who held the 156 00:05:53,210 --> 00:05:50,340 thing uh died of radiation poisoning 157 00:05:54,890 --> 00:05:53,220 eventually so I guess he's been able to 158 00:05:56,810 --> 00:05:54,900 talk to first-hand witnesses to to 159 00:05:57,890 --> 00:05:56,820 verify this story so it ought to be an 160 00:06:00,050 --> 00:05:57,900 interesting movie 161 00:06:02,029 --> 00:06:00,060 I'll just say I've got an advanced 162 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:02,039 screening of moment of contact and I 163 00:06:04,969 --> 00:06:03,240 won't be saying anything about it until 164 00:06:06,650 --> 00:06:04,979 after it's come out but I I'm sure 165 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:06,660 people are going to enjoy that ahead of 166 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:08,360 time but that's all I'll say for now 167 00:06:15,950 --> 00:06:14,160 cool okay uh also Micah Hanks he's uh a 168 00:06:18,469 --> 00:06:15,960 friend of ours from North Carolina he's 169 00:06:20,029 --> 00:06:18,479 a researcher and he does he's written a 170 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:20,039 couple books 171 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:23,160 um he's part of the debrief which is a 172 00:06:32,510 --> 00:06:27,960 online news UFO news uh podcast and site 173 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:32,520 for news and written journalism as well 174 00:06:37,309 --> 00:06:34,680 um David you want to talk about David 175 00:06:39,650 --> 00:06:37,319 Marler oh yeah David Marler one of my 176 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:39,660 favorite researchers uh David is going 177 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:43,440 to be talking about a very so he ran 178 00:06:46,850 --> 00:06:45,120 across some cases of course he's a very 179 00:06:48,950 --> 00:06:46,860 kind of conservative researcher kind of 180 00:06:50,689 --> 00:06:48,960 like I am nuts and bolt type of stuff 181 00:06:52,189 --> 00:06:50,699 but one of the things he's going to be 182 00:06:55,610 --> 00:06:52,199 talking about is these cases he ran 183 00:06:57,409 --> 00:06:55,620 across with physical effects so and he's 184 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:57,419 also going to mostly talk about his 185 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:00,000 archive and the importance of historical 186 00:07:02,330 --> 00:07:01,620 research 187 00:07:03,969 --> 00:07:02,340 um 188 00:07:06,409 --> 00:07:03,979 he's got one of the what the biggest 189 00:07:07,670 --> 00:07:06,419 collections of UFO artifacts in the 190 00:07:10,850 --> 00:07:07,680 world 191 00:07:12,469 --> 00:07:10,860 it doesn't matter just acquired that 192 00:07:14,330 --> 00:07:12,479 yeah when I last I interviewed David 193 00:07:15,950 --> 00:07:14,340 last year and he just got hold of the 194 00:07:18,409 --> 00:07:15,960 archive at the time and was digitizing 195 00:07:19,730 --> 00:07:18,419 it which is no mean feat uh so that's 196 00:07:20,689 --> 00:07:19,740 what I'm very much looking forward to 197 00:07:22,790 --> 00:07:20,699 yep 198 00:07:24,110 --> 00:07:22,800 yeah and then we have Dr Michael Masters 199 00:07:27,890 --> 00:07:24,120 he's actually a biological 200 00:07:30,170 --> 00:07:27,900 Anthropologist from um Montana Tech and 201 00:07:33,050 --> 00:07:30,180 he's written a second book about along 202 00:07:34,670 --> 00:07:33,060 theory that uh the aliens that have 203 00:07:37,129 --> 00:07:34,680 people have reported seeing and maybe 204 00:07:39,290 --> 00:07:37,139 being abducted by could be 205 00:07:41,330 --> 00:07:39,300 humans that have traveled back from the 206 00:07:44,089 --> 00:07:41,340 future and they're coming back to check 207 00:07:46,189 --> 00:07:44,099 us out and do research and see how you 208 00:07:48,950 --> 00:07:46,199 know how maybe they could avoid becoming 209 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:48,960 like they are so he's um going to join 210 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:50,580 us for the second time and he's a great 211 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:51,720 speaker 212 00:07:56,089 --> 00:07:54,240 yes and that's the extra 10 pastry model 213 00:07:57,529 --> 00:07:56,099 I believe is the book yes book The 214 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,539 Doctor Masters about that a few months 215 00:08:02,570 --> 00:07:59,520 ago so always a great speaker lovely guy 216 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:02,580 as well yeah yeah um 217 00:08:06,950 --> 00:08:05,400 we will be doing a talk about what she 218 00:08:08,870 --> 00:08:06,960 does which is she does regression 219 00:08:10,610 --> 00:08:08,880 hypnosis uh for people who have been 220 00:08:12,890 --> 00:08:10,620 abducted so she's going to talk about 221 00:08:14,510 --> 00:08:12,900 that and actually have some um maybe a 222 00:08:16,189 --> 00:08:14,520 couple of witnesses come on and talk 223 00:08:18,290 --> 00:08:16,199 about their experience 224 00:08:20,689 --> 00:08:18,300 she joins us every year and as well she 225 00:08:22,909 --> 00:08:20,699 leads the experiencer groups which if 226 00:08:24,770 --> 00:08:22,919 you're here in person we have groups 227 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:24,780 where if you want to come and share a 228 00:08:28,790 --> 00:08:26,160 story or just come and listen to other 229 00:08:31,930 --> 00:08:28,800 people's stories of encounters um you're 230 00:08:34,909 --> 00:08:31,940 free to do that and it's in a private 231 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:34,919 Anonymous or not Anonymous but uh just 232 00:08:39,889 --> 00:08:37,440 the word I want 233 00:08:41,690 --> 00:08:39,899 when you can't tell anymore confidential 234 00:08:43,430 --> 00:08:41,700 yeah not recorded anything like that so 235 00:08:44,870 --> 00:08:43,440 yeah save space for people to talk and 236 00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:44,880 share their experiences so she leads 237 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:46,140 those as well 238 00:08:49,730 --> 00:08:47,940 that sounds awesome and all of those 239 00:08:51,230 --> 00:08:49,740 guests you've mentioned except Yvonne 240 00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:51,240 even have you done the podcast if people 241 00:08:54,050 --> 00:08:52,680 want to hear a little bit about those 242 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:54,060 backgrounds you can go and check those 243 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:56,100 interviews out but Yvonne is certainly a 244 00:08:58,550 --> 00:08:57,360 name I've just written down to have a 245 00:09:01,509 --> 00:08:58,560 chat with as well because that sounds 246 00:09:06,410 --> 00:09:03,769 I'm sure yeah another speaker of course 247 00:09:09,110 --> 00:09:06,420 will be Bryce zabel um his podcast with 248 00:09:11,329 --> 00:09:09,120 the uh Russ coldheart need to know has 249 00:09:13,730 --> 00:09:11,339 become very popular 250 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:13,740 um so we've uh we've had in fact I think 251 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:14,940 we're one of the first people to have 252 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:16,920 Bryce at the international UFO Congress 253 00:09:21,530 --> 00:09:19,560 when we're running it with open mind 254 00:09:27,110 --> 00:09:21,540 um and he's uh always very entertaining 255 00:09:28,970 --> 00:09:27,120 so he is a key uh key Point Pro so he 256 00:09:31,670 --> 00:09:28,980 always has very exciting PowerPoints 257 00:09:33,110 --> 00:09:31,680 that he does so uh it'll be really 258 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:33,120 interesting to talk to him because of 259 00:09:37,009 --> 00:09:35,220 course he's been up to date on all the 260 00:09:39,290 --> 00:09:37,019 latest news and has an interesting 261 00:09:40,790 --> 00:09:39,300 perspective he's the director a writer 262 00:09:42,769 --> 00:09:40,800 he's got things coming out a movie 263 00:09:44,870 --> 00:09:42,779 that's going to get filled next year in 264 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:44,880 Europe so he's really excited about that 265 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:47,040 and then our next speaker I'm going to 266 00:09:50,870 --> 00:09:48,420 read this so I don't get it wrong um 267 00:09:54,590 --> 00:09:50,880 John Ramirez he was uh he served from 268 00:09:56,210 --> 00:09:54,600 2000 and or 1984 to 2009 and the CIA 269 00:09:58,850 --> 00:09:56,220 directorate of Science and Technology 270 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:58,860 the directorate of intelligence and the 271 00:10:02,449 --> 00:10:01,620 odni national counter proliferation 272 00:10:06,230 --> 00:10:02,459 Center 273 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:06,240 and uh he was working in the 274 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:08,160 he was the chief of electronic 275 00:10:12,650 --> 00:10:10,920 intelligence analysis branch and the 276 00:10:14,329 --> 00:10:12,660 electronic intelligence laboratory at 277 00:10:16,190 --> 00:10:14,339 the CIA during a period when the 278 00:10:18,769 --> 00:10:16,200 intelligence Community was investigating 279 00:10:20,810 --> 00:10:18,779 the light orb phenomena in the Years 280 00:10:23,210 --> 00:10:20,820 preceding ASAP 281 00:10:25,430 --> 00:10:23,220 so uh that's pretty exciting that he's 282 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:25,440 going to share with us what he what he 283 00:10:28,730 --> 00:10:26,820 experienced and what he was studying 284 00:10:31,070 --> 00:10:28,740 there that has to my knowledge not 285 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:31,080 anything that's really been out in the 286 00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:33,120 public yet and then he's also going to 287 00:10:38,750 --> 00:10:35,600 give some insight on recent legislation 288 00:10:41,630 --> 00:10:38,760 and of course is really exciting as far 289 00:10:43,190 --> 00:10:41,640 as well pending legislation by the 290 00:10:44,630 --> 00:10:43,200 Congress 291 00:10:46,250 --> 00:10:44,640 um he's going to kind of give his own 292 00:10:47,449 --> 00:10:46,260 take on all of that which ought to be 293 00:10:49,550 --> 00:10:47,459 great 294 00:10:51,230 --> 00:10:49,560 John's a wonderful speaker and again 295 00:10:53,449 --> 00:10:51,240 he's been on the podcast and when he's 296 00:10:55,730 --> 00:10:53,459 done any of the podcasts he's been on he 297 00:10:57,710 --> 00:10:55,740 draws a fantastic audience to it and 298 00:10:59,810 --> 00:10:57,720 he's just a great character people love 299 00:11:01,610 --> 00:10:59,820 to listen to him and Karen you read out 300 00:11:03,110 --> 00:11:01,620 just some of his background there and 301 00:11:04,610 --> 00:11:03,120 it's fascinating just the the 302 00:11:06,410 --> 00:11:04,620 Departments he's worked in and the 303 00:11:08,690 --> 00:11:06,420 projects he's also been involved in as 304 00:11:10,310 --> 00:11:08,700 well let me ask because there's a whole 305 00:11:12,769 --> 00:11:10,320 load more speakers attached to that and 306 00:11:14,750 --> 00:11:12,779 I would encourage folks to go to to UFO 307 00:11:16,670 --> 00:11:14,760 congress.com to check those out as well 308 00:11:18,829 --> 00:11:16,680 but just looking at some of those names 309 00:11:21,530 --> 00:11:18,839 I'll name Travis Walton Brian Bender 310 00:11:24,829 --> 00:11:21,540 James Fox Ben Hansen just to name a few 311 00:11:28,250 --> 00:11:24,839 it shows a real mix of backgrounds and 312 00:11:30,590 --> 00:11:28,260 personalities and I think that change is 313 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:30,600 now happening in these sorts of events 314 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:33,120 did you feel it time to reflect the 315 00:11:37,550 --> 00:11:35,279 changing audience in the UFO subject 316 00:11:40,130 --> 00:11:37,560 moving away from a very similar 317 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:40,140 conversation to journalists scientists 318 00:11:46,190 --> 00:11:43,200 directors and others like that 319 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:46,200 yeah exactly you know um I'm a board 320 00:11:50,569 --> 00:11:48,000 member for the scientific Coalition for 321 00:11:53,210 --> 00:11:50,579 UAP research and that's the world that 322 00:11:54,889 --> 00:11:53,220 I've been living in is working with uh 323 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:54,899 scientists 324 00:11:59,930 --> 00:11:57,000 um you know people from DC whether that 325 00:12:01,670 --> 00:11:59,940 be government or politicians 326 00:12:04,310 --> 00:12:01,680 um and a lot of mainstream people that 327 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:04,320 are getting into this topic and so it is 328 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:05,940 a brand new venue and they bring 329 00:12:09,889 --> 00:12:08,160 something totally different 330 00:12:11,690 --> 00:12:09,899 um but in some ways a little bit the 331 00:12:14,449 --> 00:12:11,700 same and I guess what I mean by that is 332 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,459 you know John Ramirez is uh giving us 333 00:12:19,190 --> 00:12:16,800 Insight that we didn't have previously 334 00:12:21,230 --> 00:12:19,200 you know as a government Insider but 335 00:12:23,569 --> 00:12:21,240 he's talking about topics that are kind 336 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:23,579 of strange that you know and things we 337 00:12:27,710 --> 00:12:25,380 haven't heard about before so like this 338 00:12:29,990 --> 00:12:27,720 uh program where they looked into these 339 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:30,000 orbs or you know his professional 340 00:12:36,230 --> 00:12:33,839 insight into uh the secrecy and you know 341 00:12:38,569 --> 00:12:36,240 this bill and and what it means there's 342 00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:38,579 a lot of nuance and I think that gets 343 00:12:43,730 --> 00:12:41,760 lost I was in a Twitter debate yesterday 344 00:12:45,590 --> 00:12:43,740 where it's kind of you know know the 345 00:12:48,290 --> 00:12:45,600 debate is is this real isn't this real 346 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:48,300 well typically that's not enough the 347 00:12:53,269 --> 00:12:51,120 conversation has a lot more component to 348 00:12:56,750 --> 00:12:53,279 it than just that so it's much more 349 00:12:58,430 --> 00:12:56,760 complicated than just saying A or B 350 00:13:01,370 --> 00:12:58,440 um and you need to get into those 351 00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:01,380 details in order to be effective in 352 00:13:06,889 --> 00:13:04,740 pushing the uh issue forward or you know 353 00:13:08,569 --> 00:13:06,899 understanding the Nuance to be able to 354 00:13:10,970 --> 00:13:08,579 maneuver and navigate around some of 355 00:13:12,350 --> 00:13:10,980 these complicated institutions that are 356 00:13:15,050 --> 00:13:12,360 not now getting involved that weren't 357 00:13:16,790 --> 00:13:15,060 involved previously so I think that's 358 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:16,800 where I get frustrated it's like no guys 359 00:13:20,449 --> 00:13:18,600 this is a lot more complicated than that 360 00:13:22,430 --> 00:13:20,459 you know we need to know how to play the 361 00:13:23,930 --> 00:13:22,440 game if we're going to play the game 362 00:13:26,509 --> 00:13:23,940 um you don't just pick up the football 363 00:13:29,870 --> 00:13:26,519 and run and get a touchdown game over 364 00:13:31,370 --> 00:13:29,880 it's a lot more complicated than that so 365 00:13:34,250 --> 00:13:31,380 um that's what I think is wonderful 366 00:13:37,610 --> 00:13:34,260 Brian Bender you know always he's very 367 00:13:40,009 --> 00:13:37,620 embedded in the industrial uh defense 368 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:40,019 complex you know he spends all of his 369 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:44,100 time in DC or at these uh conventions 370 00:13:48,769 --> 00:13:46,980 hanging out with generals and he knows 371 00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:48,779 everyone yeah he knows everyone the 372 00:13:54,590 --> 00:13:51,600 exact type you just call up a senator he 373 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:54,600 has a question it's so great so being 374 00:13:58,430 --> 00:13:56,399 able to hear from him kind of the inside 375 00:14:00,949 --> 00:13:58,440 baseball what he's hearing how people 376 00:14:02,629 --> 00:14:00,959 are really reacting to this I think it's 377 00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:02,639 really important and a lot of the UFO 378 00:14:05,810 --> 00:14:04,139 Community shuts that out because they 379 00:14:07,430 --> 00:14:05,820 think they know but they know nothing 380 00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:07,440 you know if you're not in that 381 00:14:10,910 --> 00:14:09,600 environment on a regular basis like some 382 00:14:12,829 --> 00:14:10,920 of these people coming out and talking 383 00:14:15,350 --> 00:14:12,839 you know you really don't know that 384 00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:15,360 Nuance so we need to Humble ourselves a 385 00:14:18,889 --> 00:14:17,100 lot of times and sit down and listen to 386 00:14:20,509 --> 00:14:18,899 these people that are coming out of the 387 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:20,519 Wardrobe right now because they're going 388 00:14:24,889 --> 00:14:22,680 to be able to guide us to have more 389 00:14:26,569 --> 00:14:24,899 success than we've had in the past and 390 00:14:28,490 --> 00:14:26,579 the success that we've gotten to date 391 00:14:30,530 --> 00:14:28,500 are exact those time those kind of 392 00:14:32,389 --> 00:14:30,540 people like Chris Mellon who you know 393 00:14:34,370 --> 00:14:32,399 has have worked in those environments 394 00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:34,380 and knew how to navigate all of this and 395 00:14:38,690 --> 00:14:37,200 is doing that currently you know those 396 00:14:40,370 --> 00:14:38,700 are the people we need to listen to and 397 00:14:41,990 --> 00:14:40,380 take their lead from right because I 398 00:14:43,970 --> 00:14:42,000 mean it wouldn't was if it wasn't for 399 00:14:46,009 --> 00:14:43,980 Brian Bender who actually had an article 400 00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:46,019 on the same day as the New York Times by 401 00:14:48,769 --> 00:14:47,519 the way people don't always know that if 402 00:14:50,569 --> 00:14:48,779 it wasn't for people like them these 403 00:14:52,610 --> 00:14:50,579 stories wouldn't have come out and Brian 404 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:52,620 keeps coming out with stories in fact I 405 00:14:55,730 --> 00:14:54,240 think one of his stories that he was 406 00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:55,740 asking hey what's going to happen this 407 00:14:59,870 --> 00:14:57,839 deadline's coming up like the very next 408 00:15:01,550 --> 00:14:59,880 day they've set the date for a hearing 409 00:15:04,550 --> 00:15:01,560 in public and I think it had to do with 410 00:15:05,269 --> 00:15:04,560 Brian's article he's kind of pushing the 411 00:15:07,550 --> 00:15:05,279 um 412 00:15:09,410 --> 00:15:07,560 pushing this along as well I don't I 413 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:09,420 think that they really were like oh crap 414 00:15:13,009 --> 00:15:11,399 politico's calling us out what are we 415 00:15:14,509 --> 00:15:13,019 going to say we got to get do we have a 416 00:15:16,850 --> 00:15:14,519 deadline to do something so they had a 417 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:16,860 hearing so I mean that's great too and 418 00:15:19,670 --> 00:15:18,660 other journalists I think are getting on 419 00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:19,680 board and they're seeing that they're 420 00:15:22,970 --> 00:15:21,300 getting so much attention that they want 421 00:15:25,129 --> 00:15:22,980 to be part of this and they can now 422 00:15:27,050 --> 00:15:25,139 without you know without being ridiculed 423 00:15:29,569 --> 00:15:27,060 and being taken seriously so that's 424 00:15:31,850 --> 00:15:29,579 great and as a matter of fact Brian's 425 00:15:33,290 --> 00:15:31,860 working on having maybe a special thing 426 00:15:35,329 --> 00:15:33,300 to happen at the conference if we can 427 00:15:38,210 --> 00:15:35,339 get it going so that'll be something new 428 00:15:40,250 --> 00:15:38,220 and uh from some government officials so 429 00:15:42,829 --> 00:15:40,260 we're working on that 430 00:15:44,750 --> 00:15:42,839 that is exciting and I would ask again 431 00:15:47,750 --> 00:15:44,760 with those names and like you've both 432 00:15:49,970 --> 00:15:47,760 said do you expect a different set of 433 00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:49,980 eyes to be on events like this from the 434 00:15:55,189 --> 00:15:52,079 outside do you expect parts of the 435 00:15:57,470 --> 00:15:55,199 mainstream media journalists politicians 436 00:15:59,389 --> 00:15:57,480 uh on you know potentially from the UK 437 00:16:01,730 --> 00:15:59,399 the US to be looking at events like this 438 00:16:04,670 --> 00:16:01,740 with those kinds of of serious names 439 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:04,680 attached well we do know that they what 440 00:16:08,810 --> 00:16:06,720 looked at the last SCU conference why 441 00:16:10,129 --> 00:16:08,820 are you talking about that well to 442 00:16:11,629 --> 00:16:10,139 answer your question I think that 443 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:11,639 journalists 444 00:16:16,189 --> 00:16:13,440 um at least we've always had a great 445 00:16:17,930 --> 00:16:16,199 relationship with local journalists and 446 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:17,940 some International journalists me in 447 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:19,920 particular the sun I know them quite a 448 00:16:25,069 --> 00:16:22,260 bit they show up at a lot of events uh 449 00:16:26,930 --> 00:16:25,079 and follow us and and so I mean I 450 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:26,940 they'll be showing up but I don't think 451 00:16:32,150 --> 00:16:29,220 they typically get in the weeds so much 452 00:16:33,530 --> 00:16:32,160 so they don't know what to expect 453 00:16:35,689 --> 00:16:33,540 um I think that they see that there's 454 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,699 more credible stuff so maybe they're a 455 00:16:40,129 --> 00:16:37,680 little more excited uh but I think they 456 00:16:42,290 --> 00:16:40,139 come with a very open mind that's why 457 00:16:44,749 --> 00:16:42,300 it's very important to provide 458 00:16:46,009 --> 00:16:44,759 journalists with credible information a 459 00:16:49,069 --> 00:16:46,019 lot of people in this field think 460 00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:49,079 there's a conspiracy and we wonder you 461 00:16:53,810 --> 00:16:51,600 know hey when we brought you that uh 462 00:16:56,090 --> 00:16:53,820 experiencer why don't you cover that and 463 00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:56,100 take us seriously that's too much for 464 00:16:59,389 --> 00:16:57,839 them you know that's that's difficult 465 00:17:01,910 --> 00:16:59,399 for them to take something like that 466 00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,920 seriously with uh out them feeling like 467 00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:03,839 they're hurting their credibility which 468 00:17:07,549 --> 00:17:05,579 is important to them so you need the 469 00:17:10,069 --> 00:17:07,559 baby steps you need to have them talk to 470 00:17:11,870 --> 00:17:10,079 the Ramirez is the Benders the people 471 00:17:13,610 --> 00:17:11,880 that speak their language and bring more 472 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,620 credibility to the story and then 473 00:17:17,809 --> 00:17:16,079 they'll cover it in a straight way so I 474 00:17:20,750 --> 00:17:17,819 I think it'll benefit in that we have 475 00:17:22,909 --> 00:17:20,760 more of those types there that that to 476 00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:22,919 speak to them and I think that helps and 477 00:17:27,049 --> 00:17:25,140 and takes things a long way 478 00:17:28,909 --> 00:17:27,059 um but then you know and some of these 479 00:17:31,970 --> 00:17:28,919 people like even Ramirez gets pretty 480 00:17:34,850 --> 00:17:31,980 fringe uh he he does State now these are 481 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,860 my personal beliefs I don't know I can't 482 00:17:38,570 --> 00:17:36,960 prove them and he'll go on to say I 483 00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,580 think he even talks about Roswell and 484 00:17:41,870 --> 00:17:40,320 other things so I think that's really 485 00:17:44,630 --> 00:17:41,880 eye-opening for the media and that 486 00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:44,640 allows them uh a little more to be able 487 00:17:49,370 --> 00:17:46,799 to talk to that but uh what she was 488 00:17:51,950 --> 00:17:49,380 mentioning at the SCU is that it really 489 00:17:53,390 --> 00:17:51,960 felt more like a uh defense 490 00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,400 um government kind of you know 491 00:17:57,650 --> 00:17:55,919 conference in that uh you know you go to 492 00:18:00,230 --> 00:17:57,660 these defense conferences and you have 493 00:18:03,350 --> 00:18:00,240 uh you have corporations and you have 494 00:18:05,450 --> 00:18:03,360 non-profits ngos work working with 495 00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:05,460 government agencies and that's kind of 496 00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,100 what we had we had representatives from 497 00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:10,799 space force other representatives from 498 00:18:16,370 --> 00:18:13,440 intelligence people who formally worked 499 00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:16,380 on these intelligence programs on this 500 00:18:21,650 --> 00:18:18,840 topic and of course seu is made up of 501 00:18:24,409 --> 00:18:21,660 people like Eric Davis and how put off 502 00:18:27,049 --> 00:18:24,419 and and Travis Taylor who are these 503 00:18:28,250 --> 00:18:27,059 scientists who are already kind of we 504 00:18:31,310 --> 00:18:28,260 know working on these government 505 00:18:34,250 --> 00:18:31,320 programs so it it's definitely at 506 00:18:36,529 --> 00:18:34,260 another level where now it's kind of uh 507 00:18:38,990 --> 00:18:36,539 more of that agency's intermingling and 508 00:18:40,730 --> 00:18:39,000 talking with our scientists and what's 509 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,740 most exciting is that those 510 00:18:45,470 --> 00:18:42,720 conversations now can result in some 511 00:18:48,289 --> 00:18:45,480 action some actual organization and some 512 00:18:50,390 --> 00:18:48,299 work and some funds being given from the 513 00:18:52,669 --> 00:18:50,400 government on on taking action on some 514 00:18:54,590 --> 00:18:52,679 of these items and it I just want to add 515 00:18:56,510 --> 00:18:54,600 at that conference it was it's very 516 00:18:59,210 --> 00:18:56,520 exhilarating to be around other really 517 00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:59,220 intelligent people scientists who who've 518 00:19:03,770 --> 00:19:01,500 seen this as an Evidence firsthand and 519 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:03,780 are so open-minded and willing to listen 520 00:19:10,430 --> 00:19:06,480 and talk about things on a serious level 521 00:19:12,710 --> 00:19:10,440 are you finding it now in 2022 easier to 522 00:19:15,549 --> 00:19:12,720 attract those types of people to come to 523 00:19:18,110 --> 00:19:15,559 events like this and be speakers 524 00:19:20,570 --> 00:19:18,120 uh well everybody I mean we've never had 525 00:19:23,210 --> 00:19:20,580 any trouble getting speakers for sure 526 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:23,220 um well like you're saying and I there's 527 00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:25,380 still some speakers that want to speak 528 00:19:29,390 --> 00:19:28,020 and they're not quite there yet 529 00:19:30,830 --> 00:19:29,400 um because they just you know they just 530 00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:30,840 want to make sure that they're because 531 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:32,460 of their profession and their position 532 00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,260 and their reputation 533 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:37,200 um but it's getting better yeah like I 534 00:19:41,810 --> 00:19:39,660 mean there's people that have spoken I 535 00:19:43,789 --> 00:19:41,820 mean like Brian Bender like 536 00:19:46,370 --> 00:19:43,799 you know politicos allowed him to do 537 00:19:47,810 --> 00:19:46,380 this and um he's gotten used to it and 538 00:19:50,390 --> 00:19:47,820 you know that wouldn't have happened 539 00:19:54,350 --> 00:19:50,400 yeah he helps a lot because you know the 540 00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:54,360 credibility of his role and and Politico 541 00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,919 um you know for instance we've been 542 00:20:00,770 --> 00:19:57,780 trying to get five Simington to come and 543 00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:00,780 speak at the Congress for many years and 544 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:03,299 haven't been able to Brian gives him a 545 00:20:07,310 --> 00:20:05,039 call up last year and he's like oh yeah 546 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:07,320 of course I'll talk to you on camera for 547 00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:09,260 the Congress so 548 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:12,000 yeah sitting right here in that the 549 00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:14,100 virtual uh which are those videos 550 00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,380 available on YouTube yeah yes yes you 551 00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:17,760 could go to the UFO Congress YouTube 552 00:20:21,529 --> 00:20:19,559 there's a subscription service and you 553 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:21,539 can watch that but you can watch Brian 554 00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:23,360 and Fife sitting where we are now 555 00:20:28,130 --> 00:20:26,039 discussing uh UFOs and you know of 556 00:20:31,789 --> 00:20:28,140 course five simmington saw the Phoenix 557 00:20:34,370 --> 00:20:31,799 light so uh people like Brian who are 558 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:34,380 enthusiastic about this uh help bring 559 00:20:38,810 --> 00:20:37,080 credibility but uh yeah to your point 560 00:20:40,909 --> 00:20:38,820 also there's definitely more people 561 00:20:43,250 --> 00:20:40,919 coming forward what I found really 562 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:43,260 interesting in 27 17 when people came 563 00:20:47,690 --> 00:20:45,720 forward we were able to get Elizondo I 564 00:20:49,730 --> 00:20:47,700 think we were the first to have Elizondo 565 00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,740 of course it ended up being a recorded 566 00:20:54,650 --> 00:20:51,600 thing which I think was good he would 567 00:20:57,470 --> 00:20:54,660 have got swamped at an in person but 568 00:20:59,330 --> 00:20:57,480 um fortunate for me uh just because you 569 00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:59,340 know at open minds we covered things in 570 00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,100 a journalistic way most of these 571 00:21:06,409 --> 00:21:04,320 insiders we talked to are familiar with 572 00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:06,419 open minds so 573 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:08,400 um that goes a long way that helps a lot 574 00:21:13,070 --> 00:21:10,620 too because uh then they know our take 575 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,080 at least my take is a very serious take 576 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:15,600 in that they can feel more comfortable 577 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,700 um talking with us yeah and Lou would 578 00:21:21,049 --> 00:21:19,200 have been at the conference he just had 579 00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,059 a previous engagement but he really 580 00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:23,039 wanted to make it so yeah and he 581 00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:24,600 couldn't have done that a few years ago 582 00:21:28,130 --> 00:21:25,620 so 583 00:21:30,590 --> 00:21:28,140 do you both have any moments you're 584 00:21:32,210 --> 00:21:30,600 particularly looking forward to at this 585 00:21:33,289 --> 00:21:32,220 year's conference any highlights that 586 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:33,299 you think are going to stand out for 587 00:21:40,730 --> 00:21:38,510 because a lot of times we've got 588 00:21:42,169 --> 00:21:40,740 something set up that is unique and 589 00:21:43,730 --> 00:21:42,179 different 590 00:21:46,490 --> 00:21:43,740 um where it's going to be really 591 00:21:49,070 --> 00:21:46,500 revelatory I think that in this 592 00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:49,080 conference it will of course uh James 593 00:21:53,210 --> 00:21:50,940 being there and being able to show his 594 00:21:55,010 --> 00:21:53,220 film is extremely exciting because most 595 00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,020 people haven't seen that we'll have 596 00:21:59,510 --> 00:21:57,600 Randy Nickerson uh to show his aerial 597 00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,520 film and a lot of people haven't seen 598 00:22:04,130 --> 00:22:01,380 that but I'm really looking forward 599 00:22:06,409 --> 00:22:04,140 because it's a first in person and just 600 00:22:07,970 --> 00:22:06,419 seeing a lot of people again that we 601 00:22:09,710 --> 00:22:07,980 haven't seen for a long time and that's 602 00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:09,720 a big deal you know when people are in 603 00:22:14,750 --> 00:22:12,120 person you get to spend a lot of time 604 00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:14,760 with same thinking people 605 00:22:18,590 --> 00:22:17,039 um and then also yeah and get to know 606 00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:18,600 people so for example if you've never 607 00:22:22,669 --> 00:22:21,120 seen Ramirez talk and you hear him 608 00:22:24,770 --> 00:22:22,679 talking it's absolutely amazing and 609 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:24,780 blows your mind you can actually hang 610 00:22:28,789 --> 00:22:26,820 out with him afterwards maybe even go to 611 00:22:30,649 --> 00:22:28,799 dinner with him yeah um and that sort of 612 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,659 thing is a lot of fun what I'm looking 613 00:22:34,730 --> 00:22:32,280 forward to is we're going to have a 614 00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:34,740 panel with some of the aerial students 615 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:36,780 now grown up we're gonna have Emily Trey 616 00:22:42,409 --> 00:22:39,780 M and Liesel and they're going to be 617 00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:42,419 talking with us from where they are on 618 00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:44,760 Zoom set but that's going to be live and 619 00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,840 it's going to be the first time that 620 00:22:48,770 --> 00:22:47,039 they've done that in front of an 621 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:48,780 audience so we're very excited about 622 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:49,740 that 623 00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,480 attend one of these events hopefully 624 00:22:57,649 --> 00:22:56,640 next year if my wife lets me out of the 625 00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,659 UK 626 00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,000 um but yeah that would be exciting what 627 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:02,159 do you both think the future holds for 628 00:23:06,169 --> 00:23:03,780 these events what would you like to see 629 00:23:08,350 --> 00:23:06,179 when it's the 40th annual International 630 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,360 UFO Congress 631 00:23:15,529 --> 00:23:11,760 wow maybe we'll be giving excursions to 632 00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:15,539 uh the Mars or something I don't know um 633 00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:18,900 I feel I feel like there's going to be a 634 00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:21,360 break a complete break in events I think 635 00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:22,980 some are going to be more 636 00:23:32,590 --> 00:23:30,230 focused on on those kind of things and 637 00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,600 then one is going to be end up more like 638 00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:34,799 spacecrafts and what did they see and 639 00:23:38,270 --> 00:23:36,179 win and dates and things like that 640 00:23:39,710 --> 00:23:38,280 because they feel like it's just kind of 641 00:23:41,090 --> 00:23:39,720 a big break now but then I think 642 00:23:42,590 --> 00:23:41,100 there'll be some in the middle like I 643 00:23:44,330 --> 00:23:42,600 think I think abductions are really 644 00:23:46,010 --> 00:23:44,340 important to study right now and I think 645 00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:46,020 the 646 00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,799 um 647 00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:48,840 the phenomena of 648 00:23:54,169 --> 00:23:51,480 ESP and that kind of thing is is really 649 00:23:56,330 --> 00:23:54,179 important so it's it's it's really 650 00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,340 difficult because it's 651 00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:58,799 there's so much opposing just like even 652 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:01,080 on Twitter even in the same topic 653 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:03,120 there's so much opposition so I don't 654 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:04,440 know I kind of feel like there might be 655 00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:07,620 two set two different sets of things 656 00:24:11,270 --> 00:24:09,000 happening maybe I'll have two different 657 00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:11,280 conferences I don't know yeah I think 658 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,799 that you know things just have gotten 659 00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,080 bigger the the percentages haven't 660 00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:18,240 changed and I guess uh too much and what 661 00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:21,240 I mean by that is you know the SCU and 662 00:24:26,330 --> 00:24:23,100 the scientific end of thing has been a 663 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:26,340 very small small percentage of of the 664 00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:29,700 people interested in this topic and it's 665 00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:31,559 burgeoning we're getting tons more 666 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,460 scientists and and uh you know engineers 667 00:24:39,770 --> 00:24:37,440 and incredible people that are helping 668 00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:39,780 out however in politicians it's still 669 00:24:44,090 --> 00:24:42,179 just a fraction of the community overall 670 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:44,100 and some of the evidence of that is you 671 00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,260 look at UFO Twitter and and you know I 672 00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:48,840 sorry I love a lot of you guys out there 673 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:50,520 but you're just not getting it they're 674 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:53,520 just still the not looking into kind of 675 00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:57,000 the more I think it's just kind of a ego 676 00:25:00,169 --> 00:24:58,559 thing that we more know more than you 677 00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:00,179 and they're not listening to mainstream 678 00:25:04,490 --> 00:25:02,220 people and politicians and who are get 679 00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,500 who and what they're saying uh everybody 680 00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:07,440 wants Roswell UFO and the aliens right 681 00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:10,080 now and that's not gonna happen but what 682 00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,700 is going to happen is moving towards 683 00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:13,799 more understanding 684 00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:16,440 um and if something like that exists you 685 00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:18,780 know we'll inch towards something like 686 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:20,520 that but we've got to be do it smart 687 00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:23,820 we've got to not be ham-fisted about it 688 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,559 and be a little bit more intelligent 689 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,840 about it so I mean and investigate 690 00:25:32,330 --> 00:25:29,880 what's happening right now get money 691 00:25:34,130 --> 00:25:32,340 behind that you know know so you have 692 00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,140 you know kind of the very Fringe which 693 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:37,140 is huge like Ancient Aliens and 694 00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:39,000 um I'll be filming them with them next 695 00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:40,919 week so I can't fashion cheerleans too 696 00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,200 much but that is more fringing you know 697 00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,840 less more speculative and that area is 698 00:25:50,450 --> 00:25:48,000 always huge so that will probably 699 00:25:52,370 --> 00:25:50,460 continue to be a huge area but what's 700 00:25:55,010 --> 00:25:52,380 great about the UFO Congress is I can't 701 00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,020 think it kind of bridges both sides you 702 00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:57,360 know uh we have people like Yvonne Smith 703 00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,460 who have been investigating experience 704 00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:01,500 or sightings her entire life you know 705 00:26:06,049 --> 00:26:04,260 right next to a Ramirez or or a vendor 706 00:26:08,930 --> 00:26:06,059 who are much more 707 00:26:10,370 --> 00:26:08,940 um you know mainstream so I think that 708 00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,380 that's what's great about the Congress 709 00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,659 and I think as far as the future we'll 710 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:15,600 see you know how much people want to uh 711 00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,919 how many people want to be in that 712 00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,960 middle ground kind of area 713 00:26:23,149 --> 00:26:21,059 and the name of the event is the 714 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:23,159 international UFO Congress so if you 715 00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:25,320 ever want to host it in the UK you know 716 00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:26,940 outside of the US I'm sure there's an 717 00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:28,380 audience that would travel for that as 718 00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,799 well I love that I love the UK has been 719 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,799 a huge audience for us at open mind and 720 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,000 you know what some of my favorite 721 00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:38,940 researchers are uh are the UK and of 722 00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:40,559 course with this Calvin stuff that's 723 00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:42,539 happened lately some of the UK 724 00:26:46,970 --> 00:26:44,340 researchers have been doing some amazing 725 00:26:48,649 --> 00:26:46,980 research so that would be fun 726 00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,659 they have and they're all friends of 727 00:26:52,730 --> 00:26:50,880 mine as well and part of UAP media so 728 00:26:54,350 --> 00:26:52,740 very much to them for the work they're 729 00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:54,360 doing bits on the ground stuff like 730 00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,340 Karen you're saying like investigating 731 00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,500 now and doing that work and and that is 732 00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,360 still happening so yeah big shout out to 733 00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,440 those guys 734 00:27:04,970 --> 00:27:03,360 um listen just before we wrap up there 735 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:04,980 are tickets still available for in 736 00:27:09,289 --> 00:27:07,500 person and virtual what do you both want 737 00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:09,299 to say to people in terms of anyone who 738 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:11,460 might be on the fence of ah do I spring 739 00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:13,620 for a ticket do I go virtual I mean I 740 00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,299 think you'll have a great time everybody 741 00:27:18,350 --> 00:27:16,799 always does 742 00:27:19,370 --> 00:27:18,360 um you'll meet people that you can 743 00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,380 continue 744 00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,120 um to interact with so you know if you 745 00:27:24,169 --> 00:27:22,799 feel sort of out there and you believe 746 00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:24,179 in it but none of your friends do or 747 00:27:27,529 --> 00:27:25,799 your family come to one of the 748 00:27:28,970 --> 00:27:27,539 conferences or at least buy a virtual 749 00:27:30,769 --> 00:27:28,980 ticket and get in there on the Hoover 750 00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,779 app and interact with other people and 751 00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:33,120 you'll have a great time and I have a 752 00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,320 coupon code UFO Andy all caps and you 753 00:27:42,649 --> 00:27:39,779 can say thirty dollars on a multi-day 754 00:27:44,450 --> 00:27:42,659 in-person ticket or a virtual ticket so 755 00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,460 there you go there's a reason to do it 756 00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:46,500 and what you get with it so it's a 757 00:27:50,810 --> 00:27:48,539 virtual ticket you get access to the 758 00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,820 Hoover app so you can watch the events 759 00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:53,220 live you can ask questions and we'll ask 760 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:54,779 the speaker those questions while it's 761 00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,480 happening live if you miss the event uh 762 00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:59,159 and you don't see it live you can pop in 763 00:28:03,529 --> 00:28:00,980 there and watch it at any time 764 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,539 yeah you'll have access to the app for 765 00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799 three weeks where you'll be able to 766 00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,200 watch the lectures I know some of you 767 00:28:10,909 --> 00:28:09,360 are nerdy enough like me well you'll 768 00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,919 want to watch them several times and 769 00:28:14,930 --> 00:28:12,900 take notes and you'll be able to do that 770 00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:14,940 so you get a really great interactive 771 00:28:18,649 --> 00:28:16,799 experience and then if you're there in 772 00:28:20,029 --> 00:28:18,659 person you get the Hoover app but then 773 00:28:22,430 --> 00:28:20,039 of course you get the advantage of 774 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,440 meeting everybody in person and that's 775 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:24,720 pretty much Priceless because you really 776 00:28:29,210 --> 00:28:26,400 put all their contact information on the 777 00:28:31,310 --> 00:28:29,220 app and you really have a chance whether 778 00:28:33,289 --> 00:28:31,320 you want to or not you know um to 779 00:28:35,690 --> 00:28:33,299 interact with all of these speakers and 780 00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:35,700 and people that are like-minded and of 781 00:28:39,649 --> 00:28:37,380 course people do want that experience 782 00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,659 but um it's a great experience because 783 00:28:43,370 --> 00:28:41,279 you just get to meet so many people and 784 00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:43,380 a lot of people sometimes times media 785 00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:46,140 researchers they kind of snickered at or 786 00:28:48,649 --> 00:28:47,460 didn't like very much and all of a 787 00:28:50,450 --> 00:28:48,659 sudden they're in love with this person 788 00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:50,460 because they're just a great person and 789 00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:52,140 they're hitting it off and it's really 790 00:28:57,169 --> 00:28:54,539 mind expanding for people in that way so 791 00:28:58,909 --> 00:28:57,179 uh there's a lot you get either way 792 00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:58,919 no that's really good to hear especially 793 00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:01,080 for that virtual experiences I know I've 794 00:29:04,850 --> 00:29:03,360 got a lot of people in the UK that can't 795 00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:04,860 make out the flights and all that kind 796 00:29:08,570 --> 00:29:06,600 of stuff as well and if you're in the US 797 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:08,580 and you're not able to travel but it 798 00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,140 sounds like you get so much with that 799 00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:12,120 virtual experience that you get to speak 800 00:29:16,370 --> 00:29:13,679 to people like you say that's a big part 801 00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:16,380 of it can so very exciting and folks 802 00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:17,880 already this will be really straight 803 00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,360 away and this audio and video however if 804 00:29:25,549 --> 00:29:23,760 you are on any form of social media just 805 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,559 like and share the post promoting the 806 00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,600 conference remember that I said the 807 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,580 opportunity like Karen said if you type 808 00:29:35,330 --> 00:29:32,159 UFO Andy all caps and at checkout you'll 809 00:29:37,130 --> 00:29:35,340 save 30 off those tickets but I will by 810 00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:37,140 the end of September give away one of 811 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:39,419 those virtual tickets to and I'll get in 812 00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:41,159 touch with Karen and Alejandro to 813 00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,600 arrange that so just make sure you like 814 00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,399 and share the post folks as simple as 815 00:29:48,769 --> 00:29:46,559 that and yeah you can win a ticket to 816 00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,779 the event so both of you I'd like to say 817 00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,399 thank you very much for taking time to 818 00:29:54,529 --> 00:29:52,320 join me I'm sure you're very busy with 819 00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:54,539 only a few weeks now until the event it 820 00:29:59,570 --> 00:29:57,120 is the international UFO Congress 2022 821 00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:59,580 in its 31st Year from the 12th of 822 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:02,159 October to the 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